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can we get in vip cock sucka prick suck a dick im a floss for the fuck of it

please to know how can mizake remove the account?

Definitely go check it out if running down obama supporters jay-walking is your thing.

you sound like motorists talking about cyclists fyi

[quote][cite] krystenr:[/cite][quote][cite] mizake:[/cite]you sound like motorists talking about cyclists fyi[/quote]

Eh. When you're an inch from the drop from sidewalk to steel grating and you have nowhere else to go you might understand.[/quote]

i was there. today even.

[quote][cite] krystenr:[/cite][quote][cite] mizake:[/cite][quote][cite] krystenr:[/cite][quote][cite] mizake:[/cite]you sound like motorists talking about cyclists fyi[/quote]

Eh. When you're an inch from the drop from sidewalk to steel grating and you have nowhere else to go you might understand.[/quote]

i was there. today even.[/quote]

Cool?[/quote]

what's cool?

sometimes it makes sense to get off and walk your bike.

this forum gets better every day

mizake:

krystenr:

mizake:

krystenr:

mizake:

krystenr:

mizake:

you sound like motorists talking about cyclists fyi

Eh. When you're an inch from the drop from sidewalk to steel grating and you have nowhere else to go you might understand.

i was there. today even.

Cool?

what's cool?

sometimes it makes sense to get off and walk your bike.

Okay?

ummmmm....nvm

Sure?

walking would not have helped as the entire path was covered by fucktards thinking they can change something

agreed. that entire statement. agreed

its funny when people expect tolerance, but refuse to give it.

Middle ground: People should sat out of the bike lane whether it is a skinhead rally or an Obama party. Walking ones bike is not an acceptable compromise if one does not want to attend the event and has somewhere to go. Conversely, it isn't the fault of the event or the political nature of the event, it was the people too dumb to get out of the street.

deciding to close one half of the bridge, while frustrating for just about anybody on this forum, is probably a wise and "safe" choice for protecting the candidate.

On the flip-side, I am sure there were large numbers of not only snipers on roofs, but undercover security amongst the masses.

Also, credit is due to the obama campaign for having people at every intersection trying to keep the streets clear for traffic.

i somehow snuck into the vip part so i got to watch the decembrists and obama from the front row. both were good. but damn. 60 thousand people was the count i got from the reporters and such in the front

I'm actually a little disappointed by this discussion.
They close off roads from cars for cyclists to have races or bridge pedals regularly.
I'm more than willing to get off my bike because there are too many people walking. It's better than too many people driving.

And as for the other comments, I'm not surprised. Although I would say most of the people attending are at least getting behind a cause bigger than their ego. Try it on for a change.

The question is not "will it change?"

The question is who will read/write impotent books about everyone else's impotency, and who will wake up every morning at least believing that they can do something.

"It" will never change because there will always be a need for an "it" to be opposed to.
My life is very short, and I stopped dwelling on my inability to change the system a long time ago. Because I realized that I can do the smallest work perfectly, or the largest work poorly. So go ahead and rally around usurping the status quo.
I'll try and make sure my parent's and their elderly friends get medical help when needed.

[quote][cite] zelah:[/cite]really? all these rallies are just jerkoff fests to see who can feel the best about their "cause", if that's not directly related to their ego i don't know what is.

what is obamas cause exactly? will government stop being corporation fueled? will third world exploitation inherent in the global economy come to a halt? will dams come down on the klamath or columbia? will the fundamental structure really, actually change?[/quote]

you want to know what obama's cause is, read the book he wrote explaining it. it's all laid out in great detail.

Added note:

While you're waiting for the last throes of the "dying system", I'm going to actually do something to help people.
Don't be so consumed by your hatred for the great "it" that you forget there are people suffering in it. Because then, you just become the system you supposedly loathe.

By the way, why don't you just move? I'm sure there's dudes in mud huts who share your passion for the destruction of the capitalist world. oh, they don't have TV or track bikes? For shame.

bike elitist!!!

i drive. i ride bikes. i walk. i like everyone who does the same or not.

lets leave attitude at the malls and middle schools and start being courteous to everyone regardless

zelah:

Max is NOW!:

zelah:

how will there always be a need for an "it"? like it or not the human race will either destroy itself or end back up at the stone age, which is the only sustainable level of technology.

wild animals have no inherent "it", rivers and forests do not have a natural "it", human beings do not have an actual "it". the collapse of civilization will be the end of "it". It (another it, not "it") will happen at some point. I hope to crap it is within my lifetime.

since "it" is based on "resources", which is exploitation on a base level, "it" cannot be sustainable.

I'm glad you were there when "it" didn't exist.

Care to source this fable of a time for me.

Get the fuck over the fact that there is no such thing as "man in nature" and actually do something.

oh wow, you're right, indigenous people who live in traditional and sustainable ways don't currently exist, my bad! oh wait...

where the fuck am i going to move to? what are the primitive skills i currently have? what culture not based on death have i been raised on? what language do i have? what about my friends? my family? the two domesticated cats i have? i would love to buy a plot of land and just live off of it, unfortunately i haven't been raised from birth to know how to do that, would have no one with me, and local classes are limited.

i'm not saying "the collapse" is around the corner, i am saying it is a guarantee. "civilization" (can we stop calling it "it"?) is nothing but destructive. it destroys land bases, all the medicine for old people will not stop the fact that the costs are literally insane. levels of extinction not seen since dooms-day historical disasters (i wasn't there for that, but ain't fossil records a bitch?), the fact that there is not a single river in the US (or any of the 'developed' world) that is not polluted to the point that people cringe at the idea of swimming in them, let alone drinking from them, the fact that every year less salmon swim up river than the year before. the fact that it is the norm for an animal to have forgotten how to exist with nature in balance.

this is not the way things are suppose to work

everyone is suffering from civilization, it kills the land we live on, it kills all land it touches, and you can't honestly believe that life thrives on the destruction of landbases.

how are you going to "for shame"ing me at not being 100% on the ball about working towards the end of a system that's been around for 6,000 years. I don't know what I'm going to do, I'll make no claims to the contrary, but knowing that there is a huge fucking problem with civilization on a whole is a start.

seriously though, the fact that you just said "there is no such thing as "man in nature"" blows my mind.

I love how you're trying to paint yourself as some sort of warrior for good right now.
Just "Knowing there is a huge fucking problem" isn't good enough. No, it's not. It never has been, it never will be.

I'm not going to continue this conversation on here.

However if you do decide to actually give me some sourcing besides one dudes mis-appropriation of modern anthropology or your sarcasm, I'm more than open. But you'll have to do it in person.

P.S. I wasn't talking about indigenous peoples, I was talking about the other fatalists who leave modern society. And I was "for shame"ing their lack of TV and track bikes (as a means to an end)

The way I see it, all one can do is attempt to make a positive impact on the people he or she comes along in life, and live responsibly as well. Riding a bike instead of driving a car, recycling instead of throwing away, and keeping a positive outlook are all ways of doing such a thing as that. It's great to see you guys have opinions on stuff and are willing to share them, most people are so apathetic these days they hardly think about things outside their social spheres.
+1 for debates, but not slandering

zelah:

really? all these rallies are just jerkoff fests to see who can feel the best about their "cause", if that's not directly related to their ego i don't know what is.

what is obamas cause exactly? will government stop being corporation fueled? will third world exploitation inherent in the global economy come to a halt? will dams come down on the klamath or columbia? will the fundamental structure really, actually change?

I just thought I'd put it out there that I am a huge Obama supporter and my issue with the people walking all over the bike line on the Hawthorne Bridge (and hence making things really unsafe for some of us - I will reiterate that there wasn't even room for me to walk my bike, I had to ride on the steel grating) was not an issue that I had with Obama or with the event itself. My issue was with the fact that the city was anticipating a very large amount of people to show up to see him speak (People had been talking about numbers around 55,000 on Friday morning) and, from my perspective, they needed to come up with a plan to deal with it. It didn't get really bad until we were maybe halfway over the bridge and as the west to east span of the bridge was closed, we couldn't turn around without having to go head on with oncoming traffic. Even if they had informed cyclists at the entrance to the bridge on the east side, I could have known not to take the bridge as it was dangerous. I'm not trying to complain about having to walk my bike - I could care less if I have to do that. I have no problems with getting off and walking somewhere if that is the safest thing to do. The problem here is that I wasn't even able to do that, unless I wanted to walk my bike on the actual bridge with the flow of motor traffic, which seems more dangerous than riding my bike alongside cars. Either way, I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I was just trying to voice my opinion about something that I felt was unsafe and that attention should be brought to.

i live in the nw and it was no inconvenience for me, it was a beautiful day and i enjoyed the extra ride, but i can see how it would be hard to ride a little bit longer just to get home. pobresita

whateves its ova

krystenr:

hew:

i live in the nw and it was no inconvenience for me, it was a beautiful day and i enjoyed the extra ride, but i can see how it would be hard to ride a little bit longer just to get home. pobresita

whateves its ova

I didn't have to ride longer/farther...

Am I being unclear? I'm confused.

hew is saying that going around would be longer. not that you did go longer.

zelah:

really? all these rallies are just jerkoff fests to see who can feel the best about their "cause", if that's not directly related to their ego i don't know what is.

what is obamas cause exactly? will government stop being corporation fueled? will third world exploitation inherent in the global economy come to a halt? will dams come down on the klamath or columbia? will the fundamental structure really, actually change?

kid is getting rowdy. ban.