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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009 edited
     

    Alright, so now that track season is 50 day away, and I've noticed quite a lot of question revolving the track, I figured I'd create a little FAQ.
    Feel free to post any and ALL question you might have revolving Alpenrose, track racing in general, or any other track racing related question in here and I'll do my best to answer.

    1) Our track is called Alpenrose. It is located at 6149 SW Shattuck, in the middle of the Alpenrose dairy. It is 268.43 meters long (exactly 1/6 of a mile) and has banking in the turns of 42° to 43°. The radius of the turns is 16.6 meters. The shape is described as an "extreme cigar". Aka it has very long straights, and very tight, short turns. It is one of the steepest in the USA. It's nationally known for being one of, if not the hardest track to ride due to its shape and rough concrete construction

    2) These are all the written rules of Alpenrose:
    -The velodrome is open for riding during daylight hours when there are no other scheduled sessions. Sessions are scheduled by contacting Mike Murray, 503-661-5874, mike.murray@obra.org.

    -During scheduled sessions there will be an established program that will be set by the individual or group that has scheduled the session. Riders on the track during those sessions will adhere to this program and follow the direction of the person in charge of the session. Riders that do not follow the program and/or do not follow direction will be asked to leave the velodrome until the session is completed.

    -Riders must wear helmets while riding on the track.

    -Riders must always ride in a counterclockwise direction.

    -Track bikes will generally be used. Road bikes may be used for specific sessions but will not be ridden while track bikes are on the track. Mountain bikes, BMX bikes or other types of bicycles will not be used.

    -Motorized vehicles are only to be used with prior permission for specific motor paced events.

    -Skates and skateboards are not to be used on the track surface.

    -Minors must always have adult supervision.

    -Glass containers are forbidden.

    -Climbing on the track rails or sliding down the track surface is prohibited

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    3) Learning to ride: Track Development Classes (TDC) is on every Wednesday at 6:00PM EXCEPT for July 25 (the 6 day race will be going on.) During these classes, you will be taught all the different markings on the track (which I'll go over as well,) getting on and off the track, etiquette and safety.

    You will generally have 3 goes at the track; with each go introducing you do something new. The goal for a new rider is go get them to just do a several full laps around the track. That might sound lame, but the first time you are on the straight and you see that 43° wall come at you, I PROMISE you you'll be more than a little freaked. Generally, you wont get to paceline until your 2nd or 3ed class depending on a whole shit load of things.

    We also will throw mock racing in at the end of the class. This is just to give you a taste of racing. You won’t win anything, so there's no point in going all out. It's just to learn how to ride in a pack.

    After that is all said and done, we open the track to whoever wants to keep riding. Generally, I'll have a few people who want to go faster than what they were going in the class. I like to do what I call a drop off drill. Basically, I have everyone line up behind me in order of fastest to slowest. Then we get on the track and I gently start ramping up the speed. I keep doing this until no one can hang on. That way, everyone gets to go as fast as they want, and they have a draft to do it in.

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    4) Etiquette: (Copied and Pasted off of OBRA):
    Before getting on the track:
    A few simple rules that make everyone's day a little safer. The primary rule is to always look where you are going and know where other riders are and how fast they are going. Riders at speed can cover half the track in less than 8 seconds so watch out. Once down to the infield (never cross the track during a race) test out your bike on the apron (during general warm-up) or warm-up circle (during a race) before going on the track. This means making sure your front wheel is on good, rear cog will not come loose, handle bars and seat are in tight, all other parts are attached and your bike feels ok.

    Warming up before a race:
    Once you get ready to get on the track during general warm-up take a few laps on the apron first. Then look across the track to see who might be getting ready to do a fast lap then look over you right shoulder and if it is clear go up track to above or near the blue line. Remember to keep your arms loose, try not to death-grip the bars and look beyond the wheel in front of you when riding on the track (These all help reduce the chance that you will over-react to a situation). You should always enter and leave the track at the start of the straights to give yourself time to get up to speed and slow down. Only if you want to get up to speed or get in a pace line should you venture down near the black line. The red line to the blue line is usually reserved for riders who are passing or pulling off of pacelines so try to keep above or at the blue line when going slower on the track, or just ride on the apron.
    Never go very slow (under 15 mph) while warming up as you could slide down track taking out a paceline or two along the way. Listen for things like "stay", "stick" or "hold", and don't go up track if you here this even if it is your turn to pull up track. While faster riders do get the sprinters lane it is the rider who is passing that needs to pay attention and go around the slower riders who are also in the sprinters lane. Remember the important thing is to be aware, ride a straight line and look first. If there is a crash or mishap, the riders involved will "use" gravity and go down track, so you should always attempt to ride above them and go up track. Riders with a mishap should head towards the apron or infield and never go up track as this may just make it worse (gravity).

    During a Race:
    Attempt to ride as close to the main group as you feel possible. Remember that the sprinters lane (between the black and red at the bottom) is the fastest line, so use it when possible, especially if off-the-back. It is fine to pass around the top or underneath as long as you have room. (Do not pass underneath riders that are already in the sprinter's lane.) Always give yourself room when passing as other riders may choose to pass at the same time and may not notice you from behind. When being passed by faster riders always hold your line. While it is better to be high on the track when the group passes, both to allow the faster riders to race and give you a chance to use gravity to get back up to speed, do not attempt to go up track at the last second and make the faster group go even higher to try and pass. As long as you pay attention to the other riders you should be fine.
    The basic rules always apply. Communication is important; always let people know anytime you are doing something that may catch everyone else by surprise. You must always wear a helmet whenever you are on your bike at the track. Do not try to ride the track when wet, you will fall. Dogs must be on a leash at all times. Ride counter-clockwise only. Glass containers are bad. No swearing. Have fun. Play hard. Smile big.

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    5) What all the pretty colors mean:

    Starting from the bottom to the top
    -The blue band or "cote d’azur"=The blue band is NOT part of the track. It tells you where the track starts and ends. It is generally not allowed to be ridden on in a race, although we sprinters can.

    Black line= The black line is where the distance of the track is measured. It's also a good guideline of where not to go below. It is possible to ride below it, and in racing you might have to, but in general, stay above it

    Red line= The red line and the black line make up the Sprinters lane. This is the fastest part of the track. Many rules refer to the sprinters lane in racing. More on that later

    Blue line= The blue line at Alpenrose is pretty much useless. On a normal track, it is used for Madison racing. At Alpenrose, we use it as a divider. When you are warming up or just bsing, stay above it. Everything below that line is meant for business.

    White tick marks= They are for official use only. They really mean nothing to the riders. In timed events, that is where we put up foam blocks to keep riders from coming too low and cutting corners.

    6) Racing. There are really 3 kinds of racing. Time trials, mass start, and sprinting.

    Time trials means you are just racing the clock. They can be 200m long (sprint qualifying), 500, or 1-4k long.

    Mass start races are (imo) road racing in circles. There are many different kinds. Scratch races are good ole NASCAR style. 1st person to cross the finish line wins.
    Points racing is like a crit. Every X amount of laps, there is a sprint. The winner of the sprint gets A amount of points, 2ed over the line gets B amount of points, ect. The person with the most points at the end of the race wins.
    Miss and outs. In these races, every X amount of laps (usually 1-2), whoever crosses the finish line last (looking at the rear tire) is pulled from the race. This continues until there is only 1 left standing
    Win and outs. These are the exact opposite as miss and outs. Who ever crosses the line 1st, wins and pulls off the track. Next lap, the 1st person who crosses gets 2ed and pulls off. Ect
    Unknown distance. Just what it sounds like. You roll out not knowing how many laps you are going to do. HINT: We roll 2 dice to decide how many laps. Use your uber dooper math skillz to figure out what the most likely number of laps is.

    There are many more kinds of mass starts, but those are the main ones. If you know another and want me to explain, I will

    SPRINTING: This is my shit. Match Sprints are 3 laps long. 1st person to cross the line after that 3ed lap wins. Sounds bloody simple, but is anything but. Go here for examples:http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=match+sprint

    The race schedule is here: http://app.obra.org/track/schedule

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    In order to race: You HAVE TO TAKE THE TDCs. There is no set amount, but 2-3 is usually enough. If you are unsure, just ask your teacher. After that, you have to race 3 beginner races on Friday nights. After that, you can race whatever you want. Either sprints or the Thursday night mass start races. Or both. Doesn’t matter

    OK. That covers most of the shit. I know I missed a lot, but I've been on a bike almost 16 hours today, and I'm bloody tired.

    PLEASE ask questions. On whatever. It just makes me all fucking giddy knowing people here actually give a fuck about the track

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    how do i use a disc as a jump ramp to wall ride on the wall of death like Nate does?

    http://www.katu.com/home/video/25652879.html?video=YHI&t=a

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      CommentAuthormarshall
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    thanks a lot, this is really helpful info.

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      CommentAuthorbicyCOLE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    +1

    • CommentAuthorTB Nate
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     
    white folks:

    how do i use a disc as a jump ramp to wall ride on the wall of death like Nate does?

    http://www.katu.com/home/video/25652879.html?video=YHI&t=a

    Practice, baby, practice. Running out of options is also another way to accomplish this.

    I'd like to add something VERY IMPORTANT to this thread : Riding on the track is cool. So is having a couple of beers, I've even known to have a indulge from time to time. However, the ENTIRE Alpenrose facility, not just the track is alcohol-free, and this is a serious, something they care about policy, not a "we needed to for legal reasons" kind of thing. This is not OBRA being dicks, this is a decision made by the owners of Alpenrose, as they OWN it. As such, they're kind enough to let us use it FOR FREE WHENEVER WE WANT. If you can't wait to have a beer until you get off of the track/Alpenrose campus, don't bother showing up. I've found beer cans by the lockers and down by the infield box from time to time, and if I lose the ability to use Alpenrose because of someone else's drinking problem, they will be a lot of pissed-off racers, esp sprinters. Trust me, the last thing I want to have to do on a regular basis is go up to Seattle to race.

    So to recap: DO NOT DRINK at Alpenrose. I know, I know, you're saying "what? a guy on Team Beer saying this?". There are some things in life more important than beer. Wait 10 minutes until you can hit up Albertsons.

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      CommentAuthorgrimm
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    Thanks Kevin.

    Well said Nate.

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    super good thread. thanks guys.

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      CommentAuthoraokp
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    how badly will a beard effect my aerodynamics?

    • CommentAuthorstumptown
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    I'm just stoked Nate came in to answer Doug's question haha.

    • CommentAuthorstumptown
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    [quote][cite] aokp:[/cite]how badly will a beard effect my aerodynamics?[/quote]

    Badly, but mustaches and faux-hawks (the combination) have been wind-tunnel proven to decrease aero-drag by 4-7%.

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      CommentAuthoraokp
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    were talking russel crowe in the gladiator, not zztop

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    just get an aero wheel. itll all be fine.

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      CommentAuthorscarface#1
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    I want to "buy" one of the GT rental Track Bikes. Does anybody know how or if it's even Possible?

    • CommentAuthorstumptown
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    Yo Jeff, talk to Luciano Bailey about it. Doug scored one from him on the cheap, though it had a tiny hairline crack that didn't seem to do anything from months of abuse.

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      CommentAuthorscarface#1
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    Cool Man,thanks for the word up. How do i get ahold of this guy?

    • CommentAuthorstumptown
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    try paging him on the OBRA list. no guarantees though, just a heads up that he'd be the guy to try out of anyone.

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      CommentAuthorscarface#1
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    Wo

    stumptown:

    try paging him on the OBRA list. no guarantees though, just a heads up that he'd be the guy to try out of anyone.

    Word G !

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      CommentAuthorgrimm
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     
    scarface#1:

    I want to "buy" one of the GT rental Track Bikes. Does anybody know how or if it's even Possible?

    Beat Jonah up. He has the GT.

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    stumptown:

    Yo Jeff, talk to Luciano Bailey about it. Doug scored one from him on the cheap, though it had a tiny hairline crack that didn't seem to do anything from months of abuse.

    I see Luciano downtown all the time. With that little poodle dog in his bag.

    • CommentAuthorstumptown
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    Haha that lil doggie nearly pissed on my Baileyworks a few times... L says it's "good luck" when it happens.

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    yo anyone care to explain how the hell Madison races work? It looks sketchy and awesome at the same time. I like that combo.

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      CommentAuthorjvandub
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     
    white folks:

    how do i use a disc as a jump ramp to wall ride on the wall of death like Nate does?

    http://www.katu.com/home/video/25652879.html?video=YHI&t=a

    p.s. Nice catch!

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    This should be stickied, yeah?

    • CommentAuthorstumptown
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    [quote][cite] white folks:[/cite]yo anyone care to explain how the hell Madison races work? It looks sketchy and awesome at the same time. I like that combo.[/quote]

    Tag-team race, 2 partners. Each guy goes all out for 2 laps and is then "relieved" by his partner who he throws up to speed before getting off the track. The other guy goes all out for 2 laps, relieves initial partner, and the whole shit show repeats for determined amount of time (10 or 15 minutes usually I think).

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    great thread thor.

    cantstopwontstop:

    This should be stickied, yeah?

    that's not a bad idea: maybe combine this with track-specific discussion? what do you all think?

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      CommentAuthorgrimm
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    I would like there to be an FAQ section. Like a tab at the top. This thread, the what to do in an accident and forum guidelines can go in there. Maybe some other old very useful threads can be logged there too.

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    For the GT: You might email Mike Murry as well. He really is the head dude at the track. We sell them everyonce in a while, but he's know better

    Madisons: They are stupid sketch. Also the most pain ive ever felt in a race. Jermey pretty much nailed it about how it happens, but they are usually more like 45 minutes long for the big boys. If you really like them, go watch the 6-day. Alpenrose is the only track in the country that still has a 6-day.

    Beards wont affect you that much. At least nothing that will keep you from winning at this level. :)

    • CommentAuthortoddistic
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    So how fast do CAT 5 sprints typically go (mph / kph)?

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      CommentAuthorrookie
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     
    grimm:

    I would like there to be an FAQ section. Like a tab at the top. This thread, the what to do in an accident and forum guidelines can go in there. Maybe some other old very useful threads can be logged there too.

    and how about a non-bike marketplace...

    • CommentAuthorstumptown
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    [quote][cite] rookie:[/cite][quote][cite] grimm:[/cite]I would like there to be an FAQ section. Like a tab at the top. This thread, the what to do in an accident and forum guidelines can go in there. Maybe some other old very useful threads can be logged there too.[/quote]

    and how about a non-bike marketplace...[/quote]

    I started that thread already, here: http://www.pdxfixed.com/discussion/1012/2/marketplace-non-bike-shit

    [quote][cite] toddistic:[/cite]So how fast do CAT 5 sprints typically go (mph / kph)?[/quote]

    Sprints? Over 30 IIRC. 30-32mph probably. Hard question to answer though becaues a cat 5 doesn't really mean much on the track though, when a cat 2 roadie/MTB racer can show up for his first time at the track and absolutely destroy everyone else / get upgraded at the end of the night. Happened to me last season.

    • CommentAuthortoddistic
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    Thanks for the input Jeremy, just curious if I would be showing up and getting blown away. CAT 5 looks exactly where I should be right now, well once I go to classes :-)

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    CAT doesnt apply to sprints. Your 1st day sprinting, you will do a flying 200m to see just how fast you are. We write that number down. Then we seed you with other guys that have a similar 200m time. That way you get to race people of your caliber.

    Most 1st 200m are in the 13-14 second range. That equals an adverage speed of 32-34 mph. Actual races are usually slower than that due to the nature of racing

    • CommentAuthorstumptown
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    I figured when Todd said sprinting, he meant ramping up the speed at the end of a mass start, as opposed to the match sprinting you speak of.

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    lol either way. I just hear sprint and my mind only goes to one thing :)

    49 days

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      CommentAuthorians
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     
    grimm:
    scarface#1:

    I want to "buy" one of the GT rental Track Bikes. Does anybody know how or if it's even Possible?

    Beat Jonah up. He has the GT.

    don't bother, i'm making my first payment this weekend

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      CommentAuthoraokp
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009 edited
     

    how do the different classifications of racers work?
    say i came there, did all the necessary stuff to race, what would i start off in?
    are there age/skill/experience levels?

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      CommentAuthormkeeezy
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    just went out today, had a blast. we should get some rides going there.

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    In all racing EXCEPT for sprinting, it goes on the CAT system. When you start out, you start as a CAT 5. Here are the rules to upgrade:

    ATRA Upgrade Guidelines

    Cat. 5 to Cat. 4: 5 race days and 20 points
    Cat. 4 to Cat. 3: 5 race days and 25 points
    Cat. 3 to Cat. 2: 5 race days and 30 points
    Cat. 2 to Cat 1: Must have good results from other tracks besides your own

    For sprintng, you are put with other people in your 200m times. Usually there will be 3-4 other people in your group. Then you are upgraded depending if you are winning or loosing in that group. If you are pwning, you get put with a faster group. If not, your knocked down.

    There are some age groups. Jouniors are 18 and under. Masters are 35+. There are different masters groups that go by age.

    Points:
    National championships, Category A, B, or C track race will be 7,5,3,2,1 for each event.

    For all other events, upgrade points are 5,3,2,1 and are based on an omnium of the evening's races.

    Additional Consideration:
    Ten person field minimum for category 3-5 and 20 person field minimum for upgrade to category 1.
    Fifty percent of Upgrading points and number of times raced will be carried over to the next year. Points do not carry over to the next category.
    When upgrading to a Cat. 1, points earned need to be from more than one velodrome.
    A race day is defined as one full day of racing. A race day can include a number of events such as a kilometer, sprints or time trial, but it only counts as one race day.
    Women and Juniors earn one point for every five times raced when upgrading from Cat. 4 through Cat. 2.
    Races exempt from upgrading are Youth races and races of more than two categories (ie: "A" and "B" races).
    Results from other velodromes will be considered for upgrading.
    Downgrading:
    A rider may be downgraded for the following reasons: unsafe riding; lack of ability to compete in current category; or lack of placing within current category.

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      CommentAuthoraokp
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    this all reminds me of being on swim team as a little kid lol, but seriously, thanks for the info and i'm sure i'll have a ton of questions in the near future (definitely at the track).

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      CommentAuthoraokp
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009 edited
     

    could you explain the differences between the alpenrose velodrome series and fast twitch fridays? do both count as full race days? if so that means i could potentially move up to a cat 4 in a little over two weeks?

    i'm not counting on it, but just checking to see if i understand how this works.
    thanks again.

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    Not a problem. The track is my home. Hence why my appt is about a mile from the track :)

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      CommentAuthorTHOR4LIFE
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009 edited
     

    You mean the Thursday series? Thursdays are all about mass start racing. Fridays are for sprinters and new guys. In theory, I guess you could upgrade in 2 weeks. It all just depends.

    I'm not the best to ask about upgrades. Like said, it doesnt really apply very well to sprinters

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      CommentAuthorscarface#1
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     
    ians:
    grimm:
    scarface#1:

    I want to "buy" one of the GT rental Track Bikes. Does anybody know how or if it's even Possible?

    Beat Jonah up. He has the GT.

    don't bother, i'm making my first payment this weekend

    What the hell are you talking about?

    • CommentAuthorOwen
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     

    How do you feel about aluminum frames on the track. I was talking to jen from bike central about it and she said this track was way better for steal. How do you feel about aluminum..?

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    its good for keeping my beers fresh, but i wouldn't trust it with my gin.

    • CommentAuthorstumptown
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2009
     

    You can't upgrade in 2 weeks because you can't race Thursdays until you get your 4 upgrade, so before that it's FTF's only. So, atleast 4 FTF's before an upgrade.

    I hear Kevin likes aluminum better than carbon for racing...

    This has been said a million times over but it's not merely frame material that determines whether a ride will be harsh or not. Tire quality, the choice between clincher or tubular, PSI, and wheelset will also factor in huge on how 'harsh' or 'smooth' a bike rides. If you're worried about aluminum riding harsh at Alpenrose, get a tubular wheelset and invest in the nicest tires you can.