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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    As I mentioned in the Intro thread my Trek 1220 just got stolen on Sunday, which I'm pretty bummed about. Anyways I thought this would be a good opportunity to try out a Fixed or SS. I guess I just don't know where to start. What do I need to convert a regular road bike? What is the estimated about for a conversion? I am looking all over CL and eBay hoping to find something as inexpensive as possible. Is there a better material for a frame - steel or aluminum? Sorry if these are extremely basic questions, I just have no knowledge what-so-ever about it. Any help would be great.

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      CommentAuthorahnichols
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    If you start from a complete road bike all you need is a new rear wheel with a fixed or a flip flop hub so you can run a fixed cog on one side and a freewheel on the other. You're going to have to get the chainline as straight as possible so it would be good to buy a new track crankset with only one chainring; the cheap alternative is to choose which of the two chainrings you want to use that is already on the bike and just remove the other. You just want to establish a good straight chainline so that it doesn't come off or cause unnecessary wear.

    Check out this link, everything you need to know is there.

    http://sheldonbrown.com/fixed-conversion.html

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    steel is real

    aluminum is uh...real too I 'spose.

    I like aluminum fer stiffness, but some espouse ride quality of steel.

    One thing to consider is that a steel road bike with horizontal rear axle drop outs is gonna be much easier to find than an aluminum frame with said drops.

    Look for a frame you would like geared, with horizontal drops for proper chain tension within your budget.

    Consider that most of your ride is coming from your frame geometry rather than material.

    Get a proper size frame for your body, and from there buy nice wheels.

    frame 1st then wheels.

    A nice handbuilt wheelset will make a turd shine so to speak.

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008 edited
     

    haha, word. put more money into the wheelset than the frame, for sure. a shitty frame with nice wheels is solid, a sweet frame with shitty wheels is just, well...a piece of shit.

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    wow, i'm really well spoken.

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008 edited
     

    Would it be better to build up from a frame/fork or try to find a vintage road bike and convert it? About frame size - I'm getting a bunch of various opinions. I have a 32.5" inseam so I was thinking that I could make a 54 - 58cm frame work. Does that sound about right?

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      CommentAuthoralex
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    is that your "true inseam" or your pants inseam?

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     
    alex:

    is that your "true inseam" or your pants inseam?

    that's me with a book in my couch up against the wall measuring. For error reportings sake 32.5" +/- 0.5"

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    I don't know about you guys, but my pants are so tight they are the same number. BAM!

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      CommentAuthoralex
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    How tall are you? You're probably a 54

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    Longwood: I would just try out the bikes. All the geometries are so different. I ride a 62cm conversion bike, but, for instance, the Spicer 60cm is WAY too tall for me. And remember that if you need to, its better to go shorter than taller.

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    Go to a store, have them fit you. They'll probably do it for free if they aren't dbags. Or just test ride some bikes and figure out what feels good.

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    So I may be getting a frame for fairly cheap, I'm not positive on that just yet, but provided that I get the frame how much is everything going to cost me? Chain rings, chain, wheels, handlebars, etc.? If possible I would like to keep the costs down as much as possible. Can I do it for $150 do you think?

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      CommentAuthorbschultz
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    A lot of getting into fixed (at least for me) is trial and error. That's part of the learning experience. You're not going to get it right on the first try... besides, you wouldn't learn anything if you did. I got my bike for $80 from a friend, and have since put a bit of money, and a LOT of time into it. Read Sheldon's article on fixed gear bicycles, search Craigslist, pick through used parts (NOT drivetrain parts) at the Recyclery, be patient, and don't be afraid to experiment. A side-note/word on pricing- I've found that in the cycling industry, unless it's an anodized Sugino 75 crankset, you pretty much get what you pay for. As far as sizes go, I'd say it's safe to go about 3cm smaller on a track/fixed gear frame than would be your ideal road frame size (e.g., I'm 6'2" with a 33" inseem and would ride a 60cm road frame, and I ride a 57cm fixed gear bicycle with no qualms). Sorry to hear your bike was stolen; bicycle thieves are scum.

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    also know that if yer choosing between 2 older (80's) bikes the geometry is gonna be virtually the same, stand over height is the only concern. (copped directly from Sheldon Brown...And some personal experience) Max speaks the truth, it's way easier to make a bike taller than shorter. Plus if you you have a stubby little stem and the seatpost jammed all the way down you're going to look a little goofy, and if fixed gear riding teaches us one thing, it's to always look fashionable, comfort and practicality be damned.

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    I was going to disagree, but then i realized my taint was bleeding from my fashionably hard saddle.

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    Hahaha, Max, that last comment made my night.

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    Thanks K, and I wish I were merely joking.

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 15th 2008
     

    Well who would you be if you did talk about your bleeding taint? Or just have a bleeding taint to begin with? God, that is fucking hysterical.

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     

    One thing that I was thinking about was coasting... does not being able to coast for you fixed gearers bother you? is it a problem going down the hills?

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     

    No, you just have to move your legs reaaaaal fast. It's good fun.

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      CommentAuthorhuss
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     

    longwood, do you ride fixed? Thats why I run 81 inches(48/16) so I can do 30+mph without knocking my teeth out with my knees.
    Yea some hills are a bitch, but so is life.

    Sometimes it is like a bad acid-trip, and you just want it to stop....hahaha

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    huss:

    Sometimes it is like a bad acid-trip, and you just want it to stop....hahaha

    Hahahhaa. For some reason this reminds of the way the girl in that movie Shortbus describes having sex.

    "Sex is really awesome. I love sex!…Sex feels terrific. I love it, a lot. It's a great workout, it feels good. I love loving my husband. It's just, there comes a point sometimes where it just gets really a lot of pressure and it feels a little bit, AHHHH, a little bit like somebody's gonna kill me and I just have to, you know, smile and pretend to enjoy it. You know, that way I can survive."

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    huss:

    longwood, do you ride fixed?

    no i don't ride fixed. i had a geared bike and want to either convert an old road bike or just buy a fixed gear.

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 16th 2008
     
    Max is NOW!:

    I was going to disagree, but then i realized my taint was bleeding from my fashionably hard saddle.

    max what do you ride?

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      CommentAuthorjvandub
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
     

    longwood...

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
     
    jvandub:

    longwood...

    I know, right?!

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
     

    I'm glad you guys like the name. So I was just given some Surly front and rear fixed hubs (32 hole) now what?...

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      CommentAuthorzacp
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008
     
    longwood:

    I'm glad you guys like the name. So I was just given some Surly front and rear fixed hubs (32 hole) now what?...

    build up some wheels!

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2008 edited
     

    can i have someone build them? or is it not too difficult of a job to do? never done it before. another quick question... people here keep saying that 26" wheel will limit your options. Why is that?

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2008
     

    Longwood, have a pro do it fa real.

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      CommentAuthorzacp
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2008
     
    krystenr:

    Longwood, have a pro do it fa real.

    serious. its a good thing to learn how to do though. an infinitely valuable skill.

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2008
     

    serious. its a good thing to learn how to do though. an infinitely valuable skill.

    True story. I'd love to learn how.

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
     

    Just picked up a Centurion Le Mans in awesome condition for $40. I am going to feel a little bad tearing it apart. First step of the conversion should be what? I'm going to ride it around today to get an idea of what gear ratio I would like to be running. My wheels are being built at City Bikes and should be done on Saturday. I can't wait to get started...

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    First step is to take photos of every component and post so you can get opinions on what needs/should be replaced and what can stay.

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      CommentAuthoralex
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
     
    longwood:

    Just picked up a Centurion Le Mans in awesome condition for $40. I am going to feel a little bad tearing it apart. First step of the conversion should be what? I'm going to ride it around today to get an idea of what gear ratio I would like to be running. My wheels are being built at City Bikes and should be done on Saturday. I can't wait to get started...

    Where did you manage to score that?

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    And I know this is a stupid question, but is it a mixte Le Mans or the standard road frame?

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
     
    alex:

    Where did you manage to score that?

    Bike Shop Teacher at REX Putnam posted an ad on CL this morning and I went out there this afternoon.

    Here is the bike.
    http://flickr.com/photos/52001975@N00/sets/72157604661139030/

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    Dude, I will be brutally honest. That bike is great and I wouldn't want to hack it.
    For $40 you just scored a really cool find of a geared bike, at least in my opinion.

    That said, if you still want to hack it, you're gonna need a few things to roll it fixed. And a few more to make it "really" fixed.

    Crankset - The current one is a "pressed-on" 2 chainring. You really need a newer three piece crankset. However you don't have to replace the bottom bracket.
    Bars - If you're not into drops, then replace em. But I would ride those for a few days at least before you spend any more cash.
    Saddle - You'll probably want a more comfortable saddle that has a better riding position. Not totally necessary, but that saddle may be uncomfortable and creeky.
    Seatpost - Not necessary, but if you need to go higher than the current setting.
    Wheel stuff - The obvious wheel stuff: cog, lockring etc
    Chain - If you're getting a new crankset and cog, I would recommend a new chain (as sheldon brown always reminds me when I read his articles)

    I think that's it.

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    Oh, and on the crankset. City bikes has some inexspensive ones, but if you want to meet some new friends and experience a REALLY friendly shop, try out A Better Bicycle on 21st and Division. It's like all the old good mechanics from Recyclery who formed their own shop months ago. And I know they have a few used three piece cranksets, cause I saw them the other day.

    If you can't find a decent used set, go with the Bulletproofs or the Origin 8s, although I personally think they look like trash on vintage conversions.

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
     

    I love A Better Cycle, man! Cool guys for sure. It's at 23rd though, wasn't it? 2324 SE Division.

    http://bikeportland.org/2007/12/18/a-better-cycle-opens-on-se-division/

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    Yea, I was giving you half the location to Seven Corners, and half to Better Bicycle.

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
     

    Haha.

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    Hey, Any of you guys want to volunteer to get converted?
    If not I'll see if I can muster up the cash to just build one for the day.

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      CommentAuthorzacp
    • CommentTimeApr 21st 2008
     

    both my bikes have received the holy treatment. Otherwise I'd volunteer.

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2008
     

    max question for you - i'm guessing that the bottom bracket on the centurion is 110 (not positive) and the new fixed hub is 130. how much of a problem is that going to cause?

    also because the crank is "pressed-on" there is no way to remove the unused chainring?

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    longwood:
    The bottom bracket and wheel hub sizes aren't as important to match as the rear chainstay. Will that accept a 130 hub?
    What kind of hub is it? On conversions, the chainline is important to be straight, but you can live without it being exact. You just have to be careful.

    Technically you can use the crank if you use the larger chainring and unbolt the smaller. However, it helps to straighten the chainline if you can move the chainring or add spacers.

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    Some people worry about the roadbike cranks not being strong enough, but if you already own it, just see if it breaks.

    • CommentAuthorkrystenr
    • CommentTimeApr 22nd 2008
     
    Max is NOW!:

    Hey, Any of you guys want to volunteer to get converted?
    If not I'll see if I can muster up the cash to just build one for the day.

    You shell out on a bike that fits me and I'll pay you in back in a month for sure.

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      CommentAuthorlongwood
    • CommentTimeApr 24th 2008
     

    So I just picked up my wheels tonight. I still need to get tires but it's another step closer. Max I replied to your video camera thread but I'll also mention it here - I still need to get some parts but I don't mind offering up my bike.